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ctf_morocco_coast
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My first map , stuggled with it for about three weeks. After have played the map ctf_outset_dewdleb6, I got inspired to make a coast map and this is the result, enjoy!
Updated: 02/16/10 • Views: 8,920 • ctf_morocco_coast.zip.zip (11MB)
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By x6herbius
March 2010
Pros
VERY nice atmosphere
Great attention has been paid to detail and architecture
Working HDR :D (if a little blinding at times)
Cool little "nooks" (I especially like the little exit from the maze that breaks though a wall :P)
Good underlying concept
Cons
Somewhat open?
No spawn protection whatsoever (I predict rampant spawnkilling, especially BLU)
Some breakable glass starts out with a texture that looks already broken... :/
Underwater you can see into the skybox (solved by texturing the skybox that's visible underwater as toolsblack or similar)
Intel in places in...interesting positions (ie behind spawns - would be extremely difficult to get to seeing as there's only really one route)
Exploit - at the little hut on the far right I jumped onto the roof as a Scout, ran along the white wall and...fell out of the playable map area. Couldn't get back up and had to noclip.
Other nit-pickings such as large smoke particles IMHO (in the dark room in one of the buildings), odd chimney smoke plumes (particle effects are usually better suited, see Dustbowl's final point rocket as an example) and the far-right fence not being visible underneath the coastal water plane.
Massive "EXIT" sign in the 3D skybox? :/
I think the idea/environment you've hit on here is great...it just could be a little better thought-out in terms of gameplay. The most valuable quote I've ever come across in terms of TF2 mapping is "Make maps to be played, not to be looked at"; it's all very nice having a map as beautiful as this one, but people just aren't going to come back and play it if the gameplay doesn't work.
In general the two big problems are these: A. You have no spawn rooms, no kind of spawn protection, so a couple of snipers will pin down the whole of the Blu team, especially, with ease; B. The intel is placed in the most awkward place in terms of these spawns. Take examples from Valve; in none of their maps is the Intel that close to the spawn room, and even in custom maps the intel's certainly not close enough to have to run straight through the spawn area to get to it. A couple of entrances to the intel area is what I'd recommend, so both the attacking and defending team have to work a bit to keep hold of it. One entrance that close to the spawn will mean that with all the players spawning and just one sentry in the vicinity the intel will be nigh-on impossible to get.
Overall, the design basis is great and if you were planning to make another version of this map/improve the current version I'd love to see it; just make it so that it's a little less open (sniping would be all too easy currently), the intel's in its own area with more than one access route, give the teams spawn ROOMS and possibly make the map symmetrical, although not having played this online I don't know how good/bad the current asymmetrical layout is anyway. Keep up the good work. ;)
x6herbius
March 2010
I have to say that this map looks REALLY nice, if a little open in places. I'll download and take a look.
Packy-man
February 2010
HOLY CRAP!
THIS MAP IS BEAUTIFUL AND GREAT!!!!!!
I love it, really !!!!!!
Great job :D
THIS MAP IS BEAUTIFUL AND GREAT!!!!!!
I love it, really !!!!!!
Great job :D
By x6herbius
March 2010
Pros
VERY nice atmosphere
Great attention has been paid to detail and architecture
Working HDR :D (if a little blinding at times)
Cool little "nooks" (I especially like the little exit from the maze that breaks though a wall :P)
Good underlying concept
Cons
Somewhat open?
No spawn protection whatsoever (I predict rampant spawnkilling, especially BLU)
Some breakable glass starts out with a texture that looks already broken... :/
Underwater you can see into the skybox (solved by texturing the skybox that's visible underwater as toolsblack or similar)
Intel in places in...interesting positions (ie behind spawns - would be extremely difficult to get to seeing as there's only really one route)
Exploit - at the little hut on the far right I jumped onto the roof as a Scout, ran along the white wall and...fell out of the playable map area. Couldn't get back up and had to noclip.
Other nit-pickings such as large smoke particles IMHO (in the dark room in one of the buildings), odd chimney smoke plumes (particle effects are usually better suited, see Dustbowl's final point rocket as an example) and the far-right fence not being visible underneath the coastal water plane.
Massive "EXIT" sign in the 3D skybox? :/
I think the idea/environment you've hit on here is great...it just could be a little better thought-out in terms of gameplay. The most valuable quote I've ever come across in terms of TF2 mapping is "Make maps to be played, not to be looked at"; it's all very nice having a map as beautiful as this one, but people just aren't going to come back and play it if the gameplay doesn't work.
In general the two big problems are these: A. You have no spawn rooms, no kind of spawn protection, so a couple of snipers will pin down the whole of the Blu team, especially, with ease; B. The intel is placed in the most awkward place in terms of these spawns. Take examples from Valve; in none of their maps is the Intel that close to the spawn room, and even in custom maps the intel's certainly not close enough to have to run straight through the spawn area to get to it. A couple of entrances to the intel area is what I'd recommend, so both the attacking and defending team have to work a bit to keep hold of it. One entrance that close to the spawn will mean that with all the players spawning and just one sentry in the vicinity the intel will be nigh-on impossible to get.
Overall, the design basis is great and if you were planning to make another version of this map/improve the current version I'd love to see it; just make it so that it's a little less open (sniping would be all too easy currently), the intel's in its own area with more than one access route, give the teams spawn ROOMS and possibly make the map symmetrical, although not having played this online I don't know how good/bad the current asymmetrical layout is anyway. Keep up the good work. ;)